[knjiznica-eventuse] Bergman

Thu May 10 10:01:02 CEST 2018

Inja,

hvala za ovaj prijevod o ogledalima! :) Ja ću evo taj tekstpregledati i
posložiti s onim slikama iz članka :)

Dana 9. svibnja 2018. u 14:49 Inja Cahun <icahun at ffzg.hr> je napisao/la:

> Drage kolegice,
>
> nakon dogovora s Katarinom i Elvirom o citatima filmova za vitrine i
> okvire šaljem prijevode citata. Molim da to netko pregleda, jer baš nisam
> vična prevođenju (zeleno je ostao original).
>
> Za opis teme ogledala isto prilažem prijevod izvučenog konteksta iz onog
> linkanog teksta Behind the mirror, please čekirajte jel to zvuči ikak ;)
>
> očekujte greške, nisam pročitala baš sve još jednom :/
>
> Ja sam u petak tu, ali od pol 12 pa bar do nekih 15 me nema i onda se mogu
> vratiti na postavljanje.
>
> sutra sam dežurna na pultu i mogu rezuckati kaj god želite, al i vidimo se
> svakak na sastanku u 1 :)
>
> mah, mah do onda,
> Inja
>
>
>
> >>> pronašli ste odlične stvari; sviđa mi se sve, nekako zbog sigurnosti
> > sam za ovaj Lucijin prijedlog filmića.....  imamo zaista dovoljno
> > materijala za iskoristiti.... Sad to samo treba dobro organizirati i
> > prezentirati... možda filmove u dio vitrina, s pripadajućim citatima,
> > scenama i svime vezanim uz filmove... čak na rubove vitrina možemo
> > zalijepiti te scene iz filmova.... književnost na drugu stranu s
> > pripadajucim citatima, a njega i autobiografske citate u okvire i
> > ogledala razbacano....  ???
> >
> >
> > Inja, ovo je diiiiivno :)
> >> što se tiče autorskih prava, za NOć knjige sam gledala da je CC -
> >> creative
> >> commons reuse allowed jer me bilo malo frka što se tiče standard youtube
> >> licence pa možda da tako filtriramo, ali svakako možemo još pogledati
> >> jer
> >> su ovi intervjui odlični.
> >> našla sam ovaj filmić
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YymZV83wPBk
> >>
> >> koji istražuje temu snova u filmovima na primjeru Bergmanovih Divljih
> >> jagoda, a ima cc licencu.
> >>
> >> i prilažem citate koje sam našla, a da su mi se činili fora. svi su
> >> kratki
> >> dosta, dva su o filmu i ima jedan gdje se spominje zrcalo :D
> >>
> >>
> >> “Film as dream, film as music. No art passes our conscience in the
> >> way film does, and goes directly to our feelings, deep down into the
> >> dark
> >> rooms of our souls.”
> >>
> >> “I want to confess as best I can, but my heart is void. The void
> >> is
> >> a mirror. I see my face and feel loathing and horror. My indifference to
> >> man has shut me out. I live now in a world of ghosts, a prisoner in my
> >> dreams.”
> >> ― Ingmar Bergman, The Seventh Seal
> >>
> >> “To feel. To trust the feeling. I long for that”
> >> ― Ingmar Bergman, Face to Face: A Film
> >>
> >> “We make each other alive; it doesn't make a difference if it
> >> hurts.”
> >> ― Ingmar Bergman
> >>
> >> “Everyone likes happiness, no one likes pain. But you can't have a
> >> rainbow without a little rain.”
> >> ― Ingmar Bergman
> >>
> >> “Reality is perhaps not at all what I imagine. Perhaps it doesn't
> >> exist, in fact. Perhaps it only exists as a longing.”
> >> ― Ingmar Bergman, Face to Face: A Film
> >>
> >> “No form of art goes beyond ordinary consciousness as film does,
> >> straight to our emotions, deep into the twilight room of the
> >> soul.”
> >> ― Ingmar Bergman
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> BTW ovo sam poslala samo Luciji :)
> >>>
> >>> Hej curke,
> >>>
> >>> ideja s ogeldalima je genijalna!!
> >>>
> >>> Prilažem citate iz filmova i predlažem da vrtimo intervju s Bergmanom i
> >>> s
> >>> Allenom o Bergmanu na onom velikom TV-u. Linkovi u nastavku..
> >>>
> >>> I pitanje.. Ti njegovi filmovi su toliko lijepi i atmosferični bilo bi
> >>> šteta te crno-bijele scene iz filmova ne izložiti kako bismo bar malo
> >>> prenijele atmosferu s filmova u prostor izložbe. ne znam jel to moguće
> >>> s
> >>> obzirom na pare i autroska prava..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Wody Allen interview on Ingmar Bergman u 2 djela s isječcima iz fimova
> >>> i
> >>> s
> >>> engleskim:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHqAO3hj54
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ev-c4rINA
> >>>
> >>> Genijalni intervju s Ingmarom Bergmanom s komentarima novinara i
> >>> suradnika:
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLVLKQ8Nh_A
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Citati:
> >>>
> >>> Through a glass darkly:
> >>>
> >>> David: "I don't know whether love is proof of God's existence, or if
> >>> love
> >>> is God.
> >>> Minus: For you, love and God are the same?
> >>> David: I rest my emptiness and my dirty hopelessness in that thought."
> >>>
> >>> Persona:
> >>>
> >>> Doctor: "...But you can refuse to move, refuse to talk, so that you
> >>> don't
> >>> have to lie. You can shut yourself in. Then you needn't play any parts
> >>> or
> >>> make wrong gestures. Or so you thought. But reality is diabolical. Your
> >>> hiding place isn't watertight. Life trickles in from the outside, and
> >>> you're forced to react. No one asks if it is true or false, if you're
> >>> genuine or just a sham. Such things matter only in the theatre, and
> >>> hardly
> >>> there either. I understand why you don't speak, why you don't move, why
> >>> you've created a part for yourself out of apathy..."
> >>>
> >>> Alma: "Is it really important not to lie, to speak so that everything
> >>> rings true? Can one live without lying and quibbling and making
> >>> excuses?
> >>> Isn't it better to be lazy and lax and deceitful? Perhaps you even
> >>> improve
> >>> by staying as you are."
> >>>
> >>> Wild strawberries:
> >>>
> >>> "Isak: Now take the cigar. Cigars are an expression of the fundamental
> >>> idea of smoking. A stimulant and a relaxation. A manly vice.
> >>> Marianne: And what vices may a woman have?
> >>> Isak: Crying, bearing children, and gossiping about the neighbours.
> >>> Marianne: How old are you, Uncle Isak?
> >>> Isak: Why do you ask?
> >>> Marianne: No reason, really. Why?
> >>> Isak: I know why you're asking.
> >>> Marianne: If you say so"
> >>>
> >>> Cousin Sara: "Have you looked in the mirror, Isak? You haven't. Then
> >>> I'll
> >>> show you what you look like.  You're a worried old man who's soon going
> >>> to
> >>> die."
> >>>  ...
> >>> Cousin Sara: "That hurt your feelings, alfetr all."
> >>> Isak: "No, it didn't hurt.
> >>> Cousin Sara: "Yes, it hurt because you can't bear the truth."
> >>> ...
> >>> Cousin Sara:"Look in the mirror again. No, dont turn away."
> >>>
> >>> The Seventh seal:
> >>> Block: "I want knowledge. Not belief. Not surmise. But knowledge. I
> >>> want
> >>> God to put out His hand, show His face, speak to me."
> >>> Priest/Death: "But He is silent."
> >>> Block: "I cry to Him in the dark, but there seems to be no one there."
> >>> Priest/Death: "Perhaps there is no one there."
> >>> Block: "Then life is a senseless terror. No man can live with Death and
> >>> know that everything is nothing."
> >>> Priest/Death: "Most people think neither of Death nor nothingness."
> >>> Block: "Until they stand on the edge of life and see the Darkness."
> >>> Priest/Death: "Ah, that day."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Odlične sličke i svakako citati samog Bergmana :)
> >>>>
> >>>>> https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/ingmar_bergman
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=
> AwrE19erN_Ba2CMAUdVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBH
> BvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=ingmar+bergman+movie+quotes#
> id=105&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%
> 2F736x%2F3a%2Ff0%2F4d%2F3af04d93ecd21682d92c28369756086d.jpg&action=close
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ovih slika i citata ima puno! A i svaki je dobar, mislim da ćemo
> >>>>> imati
> >>>>> hrpu
> >>>>> materijala.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ivana Kukić, dipl.knjiž.
> >>>>> Knjižnica Filozofskog fakulteta,
> >>>>> zbirka za psihologiju
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tel: 01/409-2246
> >>>>> mail: ikukic at ffzg.hr
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2018-05-06 9:49 GMT+02:00 <lklanac at ffzg.hr>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> > super, ja se predvecer bacam na citate.ugodna nedjelja svima :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Odlično, Persona je sigurna, pitanje je samo hoće li ići Sedmi pečat
> >>>>>> ili
> >>>>>> > Divlje jagode. Onda ću ja pogledati onaj dokumentarc koji ide
> >>>>>> zadnji
> >>>>>> > tjedan.
> >>>>>> > V.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >  Ivana je uzela Sedmi pečat, Irena Personu, ja Divlje jagode.
> >>>>>> Odlučile
> >>>>>> smo
> >>>>>> >> se za ove koji će se (možda) prikazivati!
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> sub, 5. svi 2018. 08:14 Visnja Novosel <visnja.novosel at ffzg.hr>
> >>>>>> je
> >>>>>> >> napisao:
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>> Hej,
> >>>>>> >>> hoćete javiti tko gleda koji film, ja imam doma sve koje imamo u
> >>>>>> >>> knjižnici
> >>>>>> >>> pa mogu bilo koji.
> >>>>>> >>> Višnja
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>  ja onda krivo skužila :D
> >>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> >  ma ja sam mislila jedan tekst tekst kraj okvira (ne u okvire)
> >>>>>> da
> >>>>>> >>> stoji
> >>>>>> >>> da
> >>>>>> >>> >> ih objasnimo, da ne poslažemo samo okvire okolo pa da se oni
> >>>>>> pitaju
> >>>>>> >>> šta
> >>>>>> >>> >> to
> >>>>>> >>> >> predstavlja.
> >>>>>> >>> >>
> >>>>>> >>> >> Dana 4. svibnja 2018. u 18:01 <lklanac at ffzg.hr> je
> >>>>>> napisao/la:
> >>>>>> >>> >>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> > ja možda čak ne bih tekstove tamo nego radije uz izložbu.
> >>>>>> nekak
> >>>>>> >>> imam
> >>>>>> >>> >>> osjećaj da se neće baš zaustavljati i gledati gore i čitati
> >>>>>> >>> tekstove.
> >>>>>> >>> >>> radije neke citate u okvire?
> >>>>>> >>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>>  Da, da! Okviri koji vise s prvog kata u prizemlje! :) I
> >>>>>> onda
> >>>>>> mogu
> >>>>>> >>> >>> stati
> >>>>>> >>> >>> u
> >>>>>> >>> >>> > njih, s bilo koje strane - okviri predstavljaju zrcala,
> >>>>>> kameru,
> >>>>>> >>> >>> svašta
> >>>>>> >>> >>> se
> >>>>>> >>> >>> > tu može vidjeti i dodati :)
> >>>>>> >>> >>> > I na sajlu nekoliko i tamo možda neki tekst vezan uu
> >>>>>> Bergmana,
> >>>>>> >>> >>> zrcala,
> >>>>>> >>> >>> > okvire.. :) odlično!
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> >>> > Dana 4. svibnja 2018. u 17:38 Elvira Gotal
> >>>>>> <egotal at ffzg.hr>
> >>>>>> je
> >>>>>> >>> >>> napisao/la:
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> ideja okvira bi se mogla razraditi detaljnije. i
> >>>>>> simbolično.
> >>>>>> >>> kao
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> okviri, prizori, ogledala, ekrani. okviri bi mogli
> >>>>>> visjeti
> >>>>>> s
> >>>>>> >>> prvog
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> kata i sa sajla i di god, u okvirima se mogu slikati i
> >>>>>> gledati
> >>>>>> >>> jedni
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> druge. iskrivljavati ili uokvirivati stvarnost. na
> >>>>>> okvirima
> >>>>>> >>> mogle
> >>>>>> >>> bi
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> biti bergmanove rečenice. iz njegove autobiografije.
> >>>>>> okvire
> >>>>>> lako
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> izrežemo iz raznoraznih starih postera......
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> npr. Ritam mojih filmova zamišljan je već u scenariju, za
> >>>>>> >>> pisaćim
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> stolom,
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> a rađao se pred kamerama. Svaka improvizacija meni je
> >>>>>> strana.
> >>>>>> >>> ili
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> Stvorio sam u sebi neku vanjsku osobnost koja je imala
> >>>>>> vrlo
> >>>>>> malo
> >>>>>> >>> >>> veze
> >>>>>> >>> >>> s
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> mojim „istinskim“ ja.
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> meni se jako sviđa problematika zrcala... možda bi mogli
> >>>>>> >>> posložiti
> >>>>>> >>> >>> samo
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> > okvire. kao simbolika zrcala i odraza....
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >  ko pobijedi u šahu,  dobiva sat vremena druženja s
> >>>>>> lubanjom u
> >>>>>> >>> >>> samici.
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >> uh.
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >> super mi je ovo za šah!!
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>  ono što je meni palo na pamet - iako ne znam koliko
> >>>>>> bi
> >>>>>> se
> >>>>>> >>> baš
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> uklopilo
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> da i sad uzmemo "blind date", tj. neke knjige
> >>>>>> zapakiramo
> >>>>>> u
> >>>>>> >>> pak
> >>>>>> >>> >>> papir
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> i
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> na
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> njih stavimo neke njegove citate i zalijepimo ili
> >>>>>> nacrtamo
> >>>>>> >>> >>> motive.
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> bravo!
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> uvijek je dobro imati inicijalni sastanak J onda
> >>>>>> ideje
> >>>>>> samo
> >>>>>> >>> >>> pocnu
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> kuljati
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> J
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> From: Eventuse <eventuse-bounces at mjesec.ffzg.hr> On
> >>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>> >>> Of
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> Višnja
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Novosel
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:43 PM
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> To: eventuse at mjesec.ffzg.hr
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [knjiznica-eventuse] Bergman
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Imam još jednu ideju ? da zovemo šahiste na faksu i
> >>>>>> >>> >>> organiziramo
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> neku
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> prezentaciju šaha? U prizemlju?
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> :-D
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Tek su mi počele padati ideje na pamet
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> From: Eventuse <eventuse-bounces at mjesec.ffzg.hr
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> <mailto:eventuse-bounces at mjesec.ffzg.hr> > On
> Behalf
> >>>>>> Of
> >>>>>> >>> >>> Katarina
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Starčević
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:25 PM
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> To: eventuse at mjesec.ffzg.hr
> >>>>>> >>> <mailto:eventuse at mjesec.ffzg.hr>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Subject: [knjiznica-eventuse] Bergman
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Hej, hej!
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Malo kopala po netu i naišla na slike iz "Divljih
> >>>>>> jagoda" i
> >>>>>> >>> na
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> nekoliko
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> njih žena drži ogledalo - mogli bismo i ogledalce
> >>>>>> staviti u
> >>>>>> >>> >>> jednu
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> od
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> vitrina :)
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> A onda sam otišla i korak dalje i vidjela cijelu
> >>>>>> >>> problematiku
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> zrcala
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> vezanu uz Bergmana
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> (http://www.ingmarbergman.se/
> en/universe/behind-mirror)
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> pa bacam bubu u uho, možda nekom još nešto padne
> >>>>>> vezano
> >>>>>> uz
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> zrcala...
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Pozdrav!
> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
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