[knjiznica-eventuse] Bergman

[Inja Cahun]

Drage kolegice,

nakon dogovora s Katarinom i Elvirom o citatima filmova za vitrine i
okvire šaljem prijevode citata. Molim da to netko pregleda, jer baš nisam
vična prevođenju (zeleno je ostao original).

Za opis teme ogledala isto prilažem prijevod izvučenog konteksta iz onog
linkanog teksta Behind the mirror, please čekirajte jel to zvuči ikak ;)

očekujte greške, nisam pročitala baš sve još jednom :/

Ja sam u petak tu, ali od pol 12 pa bar do nekih 15 me nema i onda se mogu
vratiti na postavljanje.

sutra sam dežurna na pultu i mogu rezuckati kaj god želite, al i vidimo se
svakak na sastanku u 1 :)

mah, mah do onda,
Inja



>>> pronašli ste odlične stvari; sviđa mi se sve, nekako zbog sigurnosti
> sam za ovaj Lucijin prijedlog filmića.....  imamo zaista dovoljno
> materijala za iskoristiti.... Sad to samo treba dobro organizirati i
> prezentirati... možda filmove u dio vitrina, s pripadajućim citatima,
> scenama i svime vezanim uz filmove... čak na rubove vitrina možemo
> zalijepiti te scene iz filmova.... književnost na drugu stranu s
> pripadajucim citatima, a njega i autobiografske citate u okvire i
> ogledala razbacano....  ???
>
>
> Inja, ovo je diiiiivno :)
>> što se tiče autorskih prava, za NOć knjige sam gledala da je CC -
>> creative
>> commons reuse allowed jer me bilo malo frka što se tiče standard youtube
>> licence pa možda da tako filtriramo, ali svakako možemo još pogledati
>> jer
>> su ovi intervjui odlični.
>> našla sam ovaj filmić
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YymZV83wPBk
>>
>> koji istražuje temu snova u filmovima na primjeru Bergmanovih Divljih
>> jagoda, a ima cc licencu.
>>
>> i prilažem citate koje sam našla, a da su mi se činili fora. svi su
>> kratki
>> dosta, dva su o filmu i ima jedan gdje se spominje zrcalo :D
>>
>>
>> “Film as dream, film as music. No art passes our conscience in the
>> way film does, and goes directly to our feelings, deep down into the
>> dark
>> rooms of our souls.”
>>
>> “I want to confess as best I can, but my heart is void. The void
>> is
>> a mirror. I see my face and feel loathing and horror. My indifference to
>> man has shut me out. I live now in a world of ghosts, a prisoner in my
>> dreams.”
>> ― Ingmar Bergman, The Seventh Seal
>>
>> “To feel. To trust the feeling. I long for that”
>> ― Ingmar Bergman, Face to Face: A Film
>>
>> “We make each other alive; it doesn't make a difference if it
>> hurts.”
>> ― Ingmar Bergman
>>
>> “Everyone likes happiness, no one likes pain. But you can't have a
>> rainbow without a little rain.”
>> ― Ingmar Bergman
>>
>> “Reality is perhaps not at all what I imagine. Perhaps it doesn't
>> exist, in fact. Perhaps it only exists as a longing.”
>> ― Ingmar Bergman, Face to Face: A Film
>>
>> “No form of art goes beyond ordinary consciousness as film does,
>> straight to our emotions, deep into the twilight room of the
>> soul.”
>> ― Ingmar Bergman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW ovo sam poslala samo Luciji :)
>>>
>>> Hej curke,
>>>
>>> ideja s ogeldalima je genijalna!!
>>>
>>> Prilažem citate iz filmova i predlažem da vrtimo intervju s Bergmanom i
>>> s
>>> Allenom o Bergmanu na onom velikom TV-u. Linkovi u nastavku..
>>>
>>> I pitanje.. Ti njegovi filmovi su toliko lijepi i atmosferični bilo bi
>>> šteta te crno-bijele scene iz filmova ne izložiti kako bismo bar malo
>>> prenijele atmosferu s filmova u prostor izložbe. ne znam jel to moguće
>>> s
>>> obzirom na pare i autroska prava..
>>>
>>>
>>> Wody Allen interview on Ingmar Bergman u 2 djela s isječcima iz fimova
>>> i
>>> s
>>> engleskim:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHqAO3hj54
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ev-c4rINA
>>>
>>> Genijalni intervju s Ingmarom Bergmanom s komentarima novinara i
>>> suradnika:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLVLKQ8Nh_A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Citati:
>>>
>>> Through a glass darkly:
>>>
>>> David: "I don't know whether love is proof of God's existence, or if
>>> love
>>> is God.
>>> Minus: For you, love and God are the same?
>>> David: I rest my emptiness and my dirty hopelessness in that thought."
>>>
>>> Persona:
>>>
>>> Doctor: "...But you can refuse to move, refuse to talk, so that you
>>> don't
>>> have to lie. You can shut yourself in. Then you needn't play any parts
>>> or
>>> make wrong gestures. Or so you thought. But reality is diabolical. Your
>>> hiding place isn't watertight. Life trickles in from the outside, and
>>> you're forced to react. No one asks if it is true or false, if you're
>>> genuine or just a sham. Such things matter only in the theatre, and
>>> hardly
>>> there either. I understand why you don't speak, why you don't move, why
>>> you've created a part for yourself out of apathy..."
>>>
>>> Alma: "Is it really important not to lie, to speak so that everything
>>> rings true? Can one live without lying and quibbling and making
>>> excuses?
>>> Isn't it better to be lazy and lax and deceitful? Perhaps you even
>>> improve
>>> by staying as you are."
>>>
>>> Wild strawberries:
>>>
>>> "Isak: Now take the cigar. Cigars are an expression of the fundamental
>>> idea of smoking. A stimulant and a relaxation. A manly vice.
>>> Marianne: And what vices may a woman have?
>>> Isak: Crying, bearing children, and gossiping about the neighbours.
>>> Marianne: How old are you, Uncle Isak?
>>> Isak: Why do you ask?
>>> Marianne: No reason, really. Why?
>>> Isak: I know why you're asking.
>>> Marianne: If you say so"
>>>
>>> Cousin Sara: "Have you looked in the mirror, Isak? You haven't. Then
>>> I'll
>>> show you what you look like.  You're a worried old man who's soon going
>>> to
>>> die."
>>>  ...
>>> Cousin Sara: "That hurt your feelings, alfetr all."
>>> Isak: "No, it didn't hurt.
>>> Cousin Sara: "Yes, it hurt because you can't bear the truth."
>>> ...
>>> Cousin Sara:"Look in the mirror again. No, dont turn away."
>>>
>>> The Seventh seal:
>>> Block: "I want knowledge. Not belief. Not surmise. But knowledge. I
>>> want
>>> God to put out His hand, show His face, speak to me."
>>> Priest/Death: "But He is silent."
>>> Block: "I cry to Him in the dark, but there seems to be no one there."
>>> Priest/Death: "Perhaps there is no one there."
>>> Block: "Then life is a senseless terror. No man can live with Death and
>>> know that everything is nothing."
>>> Priest/Death: "Most people think neither of Death nor nothingness."
>>> Block: "Until they stand on the edge of life and see the Darkness."
>>> Priest/Death: "Ah, that day."
>>>
>>>
>>>> Odlične sličke i svakako citati samog Bergmana :)
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/ingmar_bergman
>>>>>
>>>>> https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=AwrE19erN_Ba2CMAUdVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=ingmar+bergman+movie+quotes#id=105&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F3a%2Ff0%2F4d%2F3af04d93ecd21682d92c28369756086d.jpg&action=close
>>>>>
>>>>> ovih slika i citata ima puno! A i svaki je dobar, mislim da ćemo
>>>>> imati
>>>>> hrpu
>>>>> materijala.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ivana Kukić, dipl.knjiž.
>>>>> Knjižnica Filozofskog fakulteta,
>>>>> zbirka za psihologiju
>>>>>
>>>>> Tel: 01/409-2246
>>>>> mail: ikukic at ffzg.hr
>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-05-06 9:49 GMT+02:00 <lklanac at ffzg.hr>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > super, ja se predvecer bacam na citate.ugodna nedjelja svima :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Odlično, Persona je sigurna, pitanje je samo hoće li ići Sedmi pečat
>>>>>> ili
>>>>>> > Divlje jagode. Onda ću ja pogledati onaj dokumentarc koji ide
>>>>>> zadnji
>>>>>> > tjedan.
>>>>>> > V.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >  Ivana je uzela Sedmi pečat, Irena Personu, ja Divlje jagode.
>>>>>> Odlučile
>>>>>> smo
>>>>>> >> se za ove koji će se (možda) prikazivati!
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> sub, 5. svi 2018. 08:14 Visnja Novosel <visnja.novosel at ffzg.hr>
>>>>>> je
>>>>>> >> napisao:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> Hej,
>>>>>> >>> hoćete javiti tko gleda koji film, ja imam doma sve koje imamo u
>>>>>> >>> knjižnici
>>>>>> >>> pa mogu bilo koji.
>>>>>> >>> Višnja
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>  ja onda krivo skužila :D
>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>> >>> >  ma ja sam mislila jedan tekst tekst kraj okvira (ne u okvire)
>>>>>> da
>>>>>> >>> stoji
>>>>>> >>> da
>>>>>> >>> >> ih objasnimo, da ne poslažemo samo okvire okolo pa da se oni
>>>>>> pitaju
>>>>>> >>> šta
>>>>>> >>> >> to
>>>>>> >>> >> predstavlja.
>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>> >>> >> Dana 4. svibnja 2018. u 18:01 <lklanac at ffzg.hr> je
>>>>>> napisao/la:
>>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>>> >>> >>> > ja možda čak ne bih tekstove tamo nego radije uz izložbu.
>>>>>> nekak
>>>>>> >>> imam
>>>>>> >>> >>> osjećaj da se neće baš zaustavljati i gledati gore i čitati
>>>>>> >>> tekstove.
>>>>>> >>> >>> radije neke citate u okvire?
>>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> >>>  Da, da! Okviri koji vise s prvog kata u prizemlje! :) I
>>>>>> onda
>>>>>> mogu
>>>>>> >>> >>> stati
>>>>>> >>> >>> u
>>>>>> >>> >>> > njih, s bilo koje strane - okviri predstavljaju zrcala,
>>>>>> kameru,
>>>>>> >>> >>> svašta
>>>>>> >>> >>> se
>>>>>> >>> >>> > tu može vidjeti i dodati :)
>>>>>> >>> >>> > I na sajlu nekoliko i tamo možda neki tekst vezan uu
>>>>>> Bergmana,
>>>>>> >>> >>> zrcala,
>>>>>> >>> >>> > okvire.. :) odlično!
>>>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>>>> >>> >>> > Dana 4. svibnja 2018. u 17:38 Elvira Gotal
>>>>>> <egotal at ffzg.hr>
>>>>>> je
>>>>>> >>> >>> napisao/la:
>>>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> ideja okvira bi se mogla razraditi detaljnije. i
>>>>>> simbolično.
>>>>>> >>> kao
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> okviri, prizori, ogledala, ekrani. okviri bi mogli
>>>>>> visjeti
>>>>>> s
>>>>>> >>> prvog
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> kata i sa sajla i di god, u okvirima se mogu slikati i
>>>>>> gledati
>>>>>> >>> jedni
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> druge. iskrivljavati ili uokvirivati stvarnost. na
>>>>>> okvirima
>>>>>> >>> mogle
>>>>>> >>> bi
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> biti bergmanove rečenice. iz njegove autobiografije.
>>>>>> okvire
>>>>>> lako
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> izrežemo iz raznoraznih starih postera......
>>>>>> >>> >>> >>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> npr. Ritam mojih filmova zamišljan je već u scenariju, za
>>>>>> >>> pisaćim
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> stolom,
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> a rađao se pred kamerama. Svaka improvizacija meni je
>>>>>> strana.
>>>>>> >>> ili
>>>>>> >>> >>> >>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> Stvorio sam u sebi neku vanjsku osobnost koja je imala
>>>>>> vrlo
>>>>>> malo
>>>>>> >>> >>> veze
>>>>>> >>> >>> s
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> mojim „istinskim“ ja.
>>>>>> >>> >>> >>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> meni se jako sviđa problematika zrcala... možda bi mogli
>>>>>> >>> posložiti
>>>>>> >>> >>> samo
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> > okvire. kao simbolika zrcala i odraza....
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >  ko pobijedi u šahu,  dobiva sat vremena druženja s
>>>>>> lubanjom u
>>>>>> >>> >>> samici.
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >> uh.
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >> super mi je ovo za šah!!
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>  ono što je meni palo na pamet - iako ne znam koliko
>>>>>> bi
>>>>>> se
>>>>>> >>> baš
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> uklopilo
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> da i sad uzmemo "blind date", tj. neke knjige
>>>>>> zapakiramo
>>>>>> u
>>>>>> >>> pak
>>>>>> >>> >>> papir
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> i
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> na
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> njih stavimo neke njegove citate i zalijepimo ili
>>>>>> nacrtamo
>>>>>> >>> >>> motive.
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> bravo!
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> uvijek je dobro imati inicijalni sastanak J onda
>>>>>> ideje
>>>>>> samo
>>>>>> >>> >>> pocnu
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> kuljati
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> J
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> From: Eventuse <eventuse-bounces at mjesec.ffzg.hr> On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> >>> Of
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> Višnja
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Novosel
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:43 PM
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> To: eventuse at mjesec.ffzg.hr
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [knjiznica-eventuse] Bergman
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Imam još jednu ideju ? da zovemo šahiste na faksu i
>>>>>> >>> >>> organiziramo
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> neku
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> prezentaciju šaha? U prizemlju?
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> :-D
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Tek su mi počele padati ideje na pamet
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> From: Eventuse <eventuse-bounces at mjesec.ffzg.hr
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> <mailto:eventuse-bounces at mjesec.ffzg.hr> > On Behalf
>>>>>> Of
>>>>>> >>> >>> Katarina
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Starčević
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:25 PM
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> To: eventuse at mjesec.ffzg.hr
>>>>>> >>> <mailto:eventuse at mjesec.ffzg.hr>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Subject: [knjiznica-eventuse] Bergman
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Hej, hej!
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Malo kopala po netu i naišla na slike iz "Divljih
>>>>>> jagoda" i
>>>>>> >>> na
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> nekoliko
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> njih žena drži ogledalo - mogli bismo i ogledalce
>>>>>> staviti u
>>>>>> >>> >>> jednu
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> od
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> vitrina :)
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> A onda sam otišla i korak dalje i vidjela cijelu
>>>>>> >>> problematiku
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> zrcala
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> vezanu uz Bergmana
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> (http://www.ingmarbergman.se/en/universe/behind-mirror)
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> pa bacam bubu u uho, možda nekom još nešto padne
>>>>>> vezano
>>>>>> uz
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> zrcala...
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Pozdrav!
>>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
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