[knjiznica-eventuse] Bergman

Dorja Mučnjak dmucnjak at ffzg.hr
Thu May 10 14:51:11 CEST 2018 

na faksu nemamo drveni štil od metle

-----Original Message-----
From: Eventuse <eventuse-bounces at mjesec.ffzg.hr> On Behalf Of Inja Cahun
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 2:35 PM
To: "Katarina Starčević" <katarina.starcevic at gmail.com>
Cc: OVisnja Novosel <visnja.novosel at ffzg.hr>; eventuse at mjesec.ffzg.hr
Subject: Re: [knjiznica-eventuse] Bergman

Heloo,

šaljem nabrzake napravljene citate za iznad vitrina, ko stigne pliz neki
komentar jer ne znam dal je ovak jednostavno predosadno ili baš to želim :/

Katarina pliz onaj tamplate za poster sa zanimljivostima.

Hvala :)


> Inja,
>
> hvala za ovaj prijevod o ogledalima! :) Ja ću evo taj tekstpregledati 
> i posložiti s onim slikama iz članka :)
>
> Dana 9. svibnja 2018. u 14:49 Inja Cahun <icahun at ffzg.hr> je napisao/la:
>
>> Drage kolegice,
>>
>> nakon dogovora s Katarinom i Elvirom o citatima filmova za vitrine i 
>> okvire šaljem prijevode citata. Molim da to netko pregleda, jer baš 
>> nisam vična prevođenju (zeleno je ostao original).
>>
>> Za opis teme ogledala isto prilažem prijevod izvučenog konteksta iz 
>> onog linkanog teksta Behind the mirror, please čekirajte jel to zvuči 
>> ikak ;)
>>
>> očekujte greške, nisam pročitala baš sve još jednom :/
>>
>> Ja sam u petak tu, ali od pol 12 pa bar do nekih 15 me nema i onda se 
>> mogu vratiti na postavljanje.
>>
>> sutra sam dežurna na pultu i mogu rezuckati kaj god želite, al i 
>> vidimo se svakak na sastanku u 1 :)
>>
>> mah, mah do onda,
>> Inja
>>
>>
>>
>> >>> pronašli ste odlične stvari; sviđa mi se sve, nekako zbog 
>> >>> sigurnosti
>> > sam za ovaj Lucijin prijedlog filmića.....  imamo zaista dovoljno 
>> > materijala za iskoristiti.... Sad to samo treba dobro organizirati 
>> > i prezentirati... možda filmove u dio vitrina, s pripadajućim 
>> > citatima, scenama i svime vezanim uz filmove... čak na rubove 
>> > vitrina možemo zalijepiti te scene iz filmova.... književnost na 
>> > drugu stranu s pripadajucim citatima, a njega i autobiografske 
>> > citate u okvire i ogledala razbacano....  ???
>> >
>> >
>> > Inja, ovo je diiiiivno :)
>> >> što se tiče autorskih prava, za NOć knjige sam gledala da je CC - 
>> >> creative commons reuse allowed jer me bilo malo frka što se tiče 
>> >> standard
>> youtube
>> >> licence pa možda da tako filtriramo, ali svakako možemo još 
>> >> pogledati jer su ovi intervjui odlični.
>> >> našla sam ovaj filmić
>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YymZV83wPBk
>> >>
>> >> koji istražuje temu snova u filmovima na primjeru Bergmanovih 
>> >> Divljih jagoda, a ima cc licencu.
>> >>
>> >> i prilažem citate koje sam našla, a da su mi se činili fora. svi 
>> >> su kratki dosta, dva su o filmu i ima jedan gdje se spominje 
>> >> zrcalo :D
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> “Film as dream, film as music. No art passes our conscience 
>> >> in
>> the
>> >> way film does, and goes directly to our feelings, deep down into 
>> >> the dark rooms of our souls.”
>> >>
>> >> “I want to confess as best I can, but my heart is void. The
>> void
>> >> is
>> >> a mirror. I see my face and feel loathing and horror. My 
>> >> indifference
>> to
>> >> man has shut me out. I live now in a world of ghosts, a prisoner 
>> >> in
>> my
>> >> dreams.”
>> >> ― Ingmar Bergman, The Seventh Seal
>> >>
>> >> “To feel. To trust the feeling. I long for that” 
>> >> ― Ingmar Bergman, Face to Face: A Film
>> >>
>> >> “We make each other alive; it doesn't make a difference if 
>> >> it hurts.” ― Ingmar Bergman
>> >>
>> >> “Everyone likes happiness, no one likes pain. But you can't
>> have a
>> >> rainbow without a little rain.” ― Ingmar Bergman
>> >>
>> >> “Reality is perhaps not at all what I imagine. Perhaps it
>> doesn't
>> >> exist, in fact. Perhaps it only exists as a longing.” 
>> >> ― Ingmar Bergman, Face to Face: A Film
>> >>
>> >> “No form of art goes beyond ordinary consciousness as film
>> does,
>> >> straight to our emotions, deep into the twilight room of the 
>> >> soul.” ― Ingmar Bergman
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> BTW ovo sam poslala samo Luciji :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Hej curke,
>> >>>
>> >>> ideja s ogeldalima je genijalna!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Prilažem citate iz filmova i predlažem da vrtimo intervju s
>> Bergmanom i
>> >>> s
>> >>> Allenom o Bergmanu na onom velikom TV-u. Linkovi u nastavku..
>> >>>
>> >>> I pitanje.. Ti njegovi filmovi su toliko lijepi i atmosferični 
>> >>> bilo
>> bi
>> >>> šteta te crno-bijele scene iz filmova ne izložiti kako bismo bar
>> malo
>> >>> prenijele atmosferu s filmova u prostor izložbe. ne znam jel to
>> moguće
>> >>> s
>> >>> obzirom na pare i autroska prava..
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Wody Allen interview on Ingmar Bergman u 2 djela s isječcima iz
>> fimova
>> >>> i
>> >>> s
>> >>> engleskim:
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHqAO3hj54
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ev-c4rINA
>> >>>
>> >>> Genijalni intervju s Ingmarom Bergmanom s komentarima novinara i
>> >>> suradnika:
>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLVLKQ8Nh_A
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Citati:
>> >>>
>> >>> Through a glass darkly:
>> >>>
>> >>> David: "I don't know whether love is proof of God's existence, or 
>> >>> if love is God.
>> >>> Minus: For you, love and God are the same?
>> >>> David: I rest my emptiness and my dirty hopelessness in that
>> thought."
>> >>>
>> >>> Persona:
>> >>>
>> >>> Doctor: "...But you can refuse to move, refuse to talk, so that 
>> >>> you don't have to lie. You can shut yourself in. Then you needn't 
>> >>> play any
>> parts
>> >>> or
>> >>> make wrong gestures. Or so you thought. But reality is diabolical.
>> Your
>> >>> hiding place isn't watertight. Life trickles in from the outside,
>> and
>> >>> you're forced to react. No one asks if it is true or false, if
>> you're
>> >>> genuine or just a sham. Such things matter only in the theatre, 
>> >>> and hardly there either. I understand why you don't speak, why 
>> >>> you don't move,
>> why
>> >>> you've created a part for yourself out of apathy..."
>> >>>
>> >>> Alma: "Is it really important not to lie, to speak so that
>> everything
>> >>> rings true? Can one live without lying and quibbling and making 
>> >>> excuses?
>> >>> Isn't it better to be lazy and lax and deceitful? Perhaps you 
>> >>> even improve by staying as you are."
>> >>>
>> >>> Wild strawberries:
>> >>>
>> >>> "Isak: Now take the cigar. Cigars are an expression of the
>> fundamental
>> >>> idea of smoking. A stimulant and a relaxation. A manly vice.
>> >>> Marianne: And what vices may a woman have?
>> >>> Isak: Crying, bearing children, and gossiping about the neighbours.
>> >>> Marianne: How old are you, Uncle Isak?
>> >>> Isak: Why do you ask?
>> >>> Marianne: No reason, really. Why?
>> >>> Isak: I know why you're asking.
>> >>> Marianne: If you say so"
>> >>>
>> >>> Cousin Sara: "Have you looked in the mirror, Isak? You haven't. 
>> >>> Then I'll show you what you look like.  You're a worried old man 
>> >>> who's soon
>> going
>> >>> to
>> >>> die."
>> >>>  ...
>> >>> Cousin Sara: "That hurt your feelings, alfetr all."
>> >>> Isak: "No, it didn't hurt.
>> >>> Cousin Sara: "Yes, it hurt because you can't bear the truth."
>> >>> ...
>> >>> Cousin Sara:"Look in the mirror again. No, dont turn away."
>> >>>
>> >>> The Seventh seal:
>> >>> Block: "I want knowledge. Not belief. Not surmise. But knowledge. 
>> >>> I want God to put out His hand, show His face, speak to me."
>> >>> Priest/Death: "But He is silent."
>> >>> Block: "I cry to Him in the dark, but there seems to be no one
>> there."
>> >>> Priest/Death: "Perhaps there is no one there."
>> >>> Block: "Then life is a senseless terror. No man can live with 
>> >>> Death
>> and
>> >>> know that everything is nothing."
>> >>> Priest/Death: "Most people think neither of Death nor nothingness."
>> >>> Block: "Until they stand on the edge of life and see the Darkness."
>> >>> Priest/Death: "Ah, that day."
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Odlične sličke i svakako citati samog Bergmana :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/ingmar_bergman
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=
>> AwrE19erN_Ba2CMAUdVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBH
>> BvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=ingmar+bergman+movie+quotes#
>> id=105&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%
>> 2F736x%2F3a%2Ff0%2F4d%2F3af04d93ecd21682d92c28369756086d.jpg&action=c
>> lose
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ovih slika i citata ima puno! A i svaki je dobar, mislim da 
>> >>>>> ćemo imati hrpu materijala.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ivana Kukić, dipl.knjiž.
>> >>>>> Knjižnica Filozofskog fakulteta, zbirka za psihologiju
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Tel: 01/409-2246
>> >>>>> mail: ikukic at ffzg.hr
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2018-05-06 9:49 GMT+02:00 <lklanac at ffzg.hr>:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> > super, ja se predvecer bacam na citate.ugodna nedjelja svima 
>> >>>>>> > :)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Odlično, Persona je sigurna, pitanje je samo hoće li ići Sedmi
>> pečat
>> >>>>>> ili
>> >>>>>> > Divlje jagode. Onda ću ja pogledati onaj dokumentarc koji 
>> >>>>>> > ide
>> >>>>>> zadnji
>> >>>>>> > tjedan.
>> >>>>>> > V.
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >  Ivana je uzela Sedmi pečat, Irena Personu, ja Divlje jagode.
>> >>>>>> Odlučile
>> >>>>>> smo
>> >>>>>> >> se za ove koji će se (možda) prikazivati!
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> sub, 5. svi 2018. 08:14 Visnja Novosel
>> <visnja.novosel at ffzg.hr>
>> >>>>>> je
>> >>>>>> >> napisao:
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>> Hej,
>> >>>>>> >>> hoćete javiti tko gleda koji film, ja imam doma sve koje
>> imamo u
>> >>>>>> >>> knjižnici
>> >>>>>> >>> pa mogu bilo koji.
>> >>>>>> >>> Višnja
>> >>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>>  ja onda krivo skužila :D
>> >>>>>> >>> >
>> >>>>>> >>> >  ma ja sam mislila jedan tekst tekst kraj okvira (ne u
>> okvire)
>> >>>>>> da
>> >>>>>> >>> stoji
>> >>>>>> >>> da
>> >>>>>> >>> >> ih objasnimo, da ne poslažemo samo okvire okolo pa da 
>> >>>>>> >>> >> se
>> oni
>> >>>>>> pitaju
>> >>>>>> >>> šta
>> >>>>>> >>> >> to
>> >>>>>> >>> >> predstavlja.
>> >>>>>> >>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>> >> Dana 4. svibnja 2018. u 18:01 <lklanac at ffzg.hr> je
>> >>>>>> napisao/la:
>> >>>>>> >>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> > ja možda čak ne bih tekstove tamo nego radije uz
>> izložbu.
>> >>>>>> nekak
>> >>>>>> >>> imam
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> osjećaj da se neće baš zaustavljati i gledati gore i
>> čitati
>> >>>>>> >>> tekstove.
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> radije neke citate u okvire?
>> >>>>>> >>> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>>  Da, da! Okviri koji vise s prvog kata u prizemlje! :) 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> I
>> >>>>>> onda
>> >>>>>> mogu
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> stati
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> u
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> > njih, s bilo koje strane - okviri predstavljaju 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> > zrcala,
>> >>>>>> kameru,
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> svašta
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> se
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> > tu može vidjeti i dodati :) I na sajlu nekoliko i 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> > tamo možda neki tekst vezan uu
>> >>>>>> Bergmana,
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> zrcala,
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> > okvire.. :) odlično!
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> > Dana 4. svibnja 2018. u 17:38 Elvira Gotal
>> >>>>>> <egotal at ffzg.hr>
>> >>>>>> je
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> napisao/la:
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> ideja okvira bi se mogla razraditi detaljnije. 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> i
>> >>>>>> simbolično.
>> >>>>>> >>> kao
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> okviri, prizori, ogledala, ekrani. okviri bi mogli
>> >>>>>> visjeti
>> >>>>>> s
>> >>>>>> >>> prvog
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> kata i sa sajla i di god, u okvirima se mogu 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> slikati i
>> >>>>>> gledati
>> >>>>>> >>> jedni
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> druge. iskrivljavati ili uokvirivati stvarnost. na
>> >>>>>> okvirima
>> >>>>>> >>> mogle
>> >>>>>> >>> bi
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> biti bergmanove rečenice. iz njegove autobiografije.
>> >>>>>> okvire
>> >>>>>> lako
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> izrežemo iz raznoraznih starih postera......
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> npr. Ritam mojih filmova zamišljan je već u 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> scenariju,
>> za
>> >>>>>> >>> pisaćim
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> stolom,
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> a rađao se pred kamerama. Svaka improvizacija meni 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> je
>> >>>>>> strana.
>> >>>>>> >>> ili
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> Stvorio sam u sebi neku vanjsku osobnost koja je 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> imala
>> >>>>>> vrlo
>> >>>>>> malo
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> veze
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> s
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> mojim „istinskim“ ja.
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> meni se jako sviđa problematika zrcala... možda bi
>> mogli
>> >>>>>> >>> posložiti
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> samo
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> > okvire. kao simbolika zrcala i odraza....
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >  ko pobijedi u šahu,  dobiva sat vremena druženja 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> > s
>> >>>>>> lubanjom u
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> samici.
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >> uh.
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >> super mi je ovo za šah!!
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>  ono što je meni palo na pamet - iako ne znam
>> koliko
>> >>>>>> bi
>> >>>>>> se
>> >>>>>> >>> baš
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> uklopilo
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> da i sad uzmemo "blind date", tj. neke knjige
>> >>>>>> zapakiramo
>> >>>>>> u
>> >>>>>> >>> pak
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> papir
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> i
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> na
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> njih stavimo neke njegove citate i zalijepimo 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> ili
>> >>>>>> nacrtamo
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> motive.
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>> bravo!
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> uvijek je dobro imati inicijalni sastanak J 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> onda
>> >>>>>> ideje
>> >>>>>> samo
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> pocnu
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> kuljati
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> J
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> From: Eventuse 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> <eventuse-bounces at mjesec.ffzg.hr>
>> On
>> >>>>>> Behalf
>> >>>>>> >>> Of
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> Višnja
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Novosel
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:43 PM
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> To: eventuse at mjesec.ffzg.hr
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [knjiznica-eventuse] Bergman
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Imam još jednu ideju ? da zovemo šahiste na 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> faksu
>> i
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> organiziramo
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> neku
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> prezentaciju šaha? U prizemlju?
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> :-D
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Tek su mi počele padati ideje na pamet
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> From: Eventuse 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> <eventuse-bounces at mjesec.ffzg.hr 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> <mailto:eventuse-bounces at mjesec.ffzg.hr> > On
>> Behalf
>> >>>>>> Of
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> Katarina
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Starčević
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:25 PM
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> To: eventuse at mjesec.ffzg.hr
>> >>>>>> >>> <mailto:eventuse at mjesec.ffzg.hr>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Subject: [knjiznica-eventuse] Bergman
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Hej, hej!
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Malo kopala po netu i naišla na slike iz 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> "Divljih
>> >>>>>> jagoda" i
>> >>>>>> >>> na
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> nekoliko
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> njih žena drži ogledalo - mogli bismo i 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> ogledalce
>> >>>>>> staviti u
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> jednu
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> od
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> vitrina :)
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> A onda sam otišla i korak dalje i vidjela 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> cijelu
>> >>>>>> >>> problematiku
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> zrcala
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> vezanu uz Bergmana 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> (http://www.ingmarbergman.se/
>> en/universe/behind-mirror)
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> pa bacam bubu u uho, možda nekom još nešto 
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> padne
>> >>>>>> vezano
>> >>>>>> uz
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> zrcala...
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> Pozdrav!
>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>
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